My black drift pig Starion
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Here's the full detail on the lock!
Some photos of the steering at FULL lock this time:
In the photo just above, you can very much see the Ackerman effect created by the angle of the knuckle arms. This is the effect where the wheel on the INSIDE of the turn actually turns tighter that the outside wheel, because when travelling around a corner, it actually travels on a tighter circle than the outside wheel.
However for drifting, when the wheels are at full lock, we are NOT actually turning in a tight circle. In fact we are usually going in a straight line, sideways, with the wheels at, or close to, full lock. So the ackerman effect is definitely NOT desirable for drift, and ends up scrubbing out your tyres more, and reducing traction. To correct this for drift, you actually need to either have some custom knuckles made, with the knuckle arms to the tie rods actually IN LINE with the car and pivot point of the steering strut (lower ball joint), INSTEAD of angled in like a normal car.
Here is a picture of how it is in a normal car:
And here, showing when turning how the angled in knuckle arm actually makes the inside wheel turn tighter:
SO, hopefully now you can see how if I made the knuckle arms straight, this gets rid of the Ackerman effect. I haven't done this modification yet, but will hopefully be taking out the knuckles again shortly, and cutting them and carefully re-welding them straight in line with the ball joint to remove the ackerman effect. This is a common practise on drift cars, and I have some modified nissan ones for another car already as well.
Here's more photos of the lock, and details of how I did it on the Starion.
There you go people!! The full story so far on getting good steering lock!
I will post more updates once I modify and re-weld the knuckles.
Some photos of the steering at FULL lock this time:
In the photo just above, you can very much see the Ackerman effect created by the angle of the knuckle arms. This is the effect where the wheel on the INSIDE of the turn actually turns tighter that the outside wheel, because when travelling around a corner, it actually travels on a tighter circle than the outside wheel.
However for drifting, when the wheels are at full lock, we are NOT actually turning in a tight circle. In fact we are usually going in a straight line, sideways, with the wheels at, or close to, full lock. So the ackerman effect is definitely NOT desirable for drift, and ends up scrubbing out your tyres more, and reducing traction. To correct this for drift, you actually need to either have some custom knuckles made, with the knuckle arms to the tie rods actually IN LINE with the car and pivot point of the steering strut (lower ball joint), INSTEAD of angled in like a normal car.
Here is a picture of how it is in a normal car:
And here, showing when turning how the angled in knuckle arm actually makes the inside wheel turn tighter:
SO, hopefully now you can see how if I made the knuckle arms straight, this gets rid of the Ackerman effect. I haven't done this modification yet, but will hopefully be taking out the knuckles again shortly, and cutting them and carefully re-welding them straight in line with the ball joint to remove the ackerman effect. This is a common practise on drift cars, and I have some modified nissan ones for another car already as well.
Here's more photos of the lock, and details of how I did it on the Starion.
There you go people!! The full story so far on getting good steering lock!
I will post more updates once I modify and re-weld the knuckles.
<--== When I die, I want to be buried sideways ==-->
1988 GSR-VR Widebody 2.6L
1984 Starion JA (stripped down for track)
1983 Starion JAs x2 and shed of Starion, VR4 and EVO bits for various track projects
1988 GSR-VR Widebody 2.6L
1984 Starion JA (stripped down for track)
1983 Starion JAs x2 and shed of Starion, VR4 and EVO bits for various track projects
Shit.... :o
That's a LOT more...
Awesome guide on howto!
That's a LOT more...
Awesome guide on howto!
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Thanks :D :D that sort of response makes me happy! Haha yep, I really was very happy with the result.
ALSO, since I realise that part of it is kind of a How-to, I have created a [How-to] post in the technical section with the same info and a briefer introduction. Anything that relates to a HOW TO part of this process I will post in there from now on, but anything relating just to more progress on this black drift starion I will continue to post here.
So HERE's the link to the HOW TO post for all comments and everything relating to giving your car extra steering lock:
http://forums.austarion.com/viewtopic.php?p=149865
:)
ALSO, since I realise that part of it is kind of a How-to, I have created a [How-to] post in the technical section with the same info and a briefer introduction. Anything that relates to a HOW TO part of this process I will post in there from now on, but anything relating just to more progress on this black drift starion I will continue to post here.
So HERE's the link to the HOW TO post for all comments and everything relating to giving your car extra steering lock:
http://forums.austarion.com/viewtopic.php?p=149865
:)
<--== When I die, I want to be buried sideways ==-->
1988 GSR-VR Widebody 2.6L
1984 Starion JA (stripped down for track)
1983 Starion JAs x2 and shed of Starion, VR4 and EVO bits for various track projects
1988 GSR-VR Widebody 2.6L
1984 Starion JA (stripped down for track)
1983 Starion JAs x2 and shed of Starion, VR4 and EVO bits for various track projects
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That front bar if you've still got it...try the redzone repair. Put the bar cover in the sun for days and you'll find it'll straighten itself.
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so what is acting as your lock stop now?
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The two adjustable nuts on the drag link underneath are now the lock stops. The ground off lock stops can still act as lock stops - they still hit, but on the nut of the tension rod instead, which I didn't like, so I adjusted the nuts on the draglink instead. They look like they're made to be stops as well, so thought I'd make use of them.redzone wrote:so what is acting as your lock stop now?
This way I can actually adjust them as needed to avoid wheels scrubbing. Interestingly enough, before I ground off the knuckle arm lock stops, these weren't making contact at all, they only started to get closer as I ground down the knuckle arm lock stops.
The steering system seems to have less mechanical advantage over these lock stops than the knuckle arm ones too, so that's also why I'm a bit happier using these.
They can be seen in these two photos:
<--== When I die, I want to be buried sideways ==-->
1988 GSR-VR Widebody 2.6L
1984 Starion JA (stripped down for track)
1983 Starion JAs x2 and shed of Starion, VR4 and EVO bits for various track projects
1988 GSR-VR Widebody 2.6L
1984 Starion JA (stripped down for track)
1983 Starion JAs x2 and shed of Starion, VR4 and EVO bits for various track projects
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Thanks!! :D :beerGormzZ wrote:simply love your work mate! giving me the inspiration to get my staz into drift form in the near future i hope!
Hope you do get to drift it! Happy to help with any questions you have along the way.
<--== When I die, I want to be buried sideways ==-->
1988 GSR-VR Widebody 2.6L
1984 Starion JA (stripped down for track)
1983 Starion JAs x2 and shed of Starion, VR4 and EVO bits for various track projects
1988 GSR-VR Widebody 2.6L
1984 Starion JA (stripped down for track)
1983 Starion JAs x2 and shed of Starion, VR4 and EVO bits for various track projects
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