Wolf 3D V4 users – oxy sensor

[starion84]

Hi guys, my brother and I are both using wolf 3d v4 in our cars and I am fairly sure it supports wideband air fuel ratio. I think the wolf has to be version 4.57 or later.

Now it states in the manual that ECU wideband function will only work with the Bosch LSM-11 sensor and I believe they are over $300. Does anyone know of a cheaper equivalent wideband sensor that will work with the Wolf?

Cheers

[Starion VR4]

Innovate does a kit, but again its expensive, Y do U want to use wideband? They have a short life spand compared to std O2 sensor, they are really only used to setup yr A/F ratio
:beer

[starion84]

G'day. Yeah I was hoping to use that to play with A/F ratio, I wouldn’t leave that sensor in there. This seems to be the only way to see any a/f ratio mixtures on the wolf handset, It only seems to display the voltage of a narrow band sensor. Have you played with oxy sensors on the wolf at all? Are they accurate?
I just thought I could use the wolf to see a/f rather than buying another standalone unit.

Cheers

[JD_Stazza_Brendan]

With the Innovate kit one of the outputs is a simulated narrowband output. Id say it will be more accurate then a narrowband sensor.

[RiceThief]

The innovate kit is reasonably price at abit over $400 for a kit these days. The advantage of the innovate kit is it uses a cheap wideband sensor that the bosch unit, so it will be cheaper to replace.

[merlin]

Guys, sorry to rain on your plans, but the V4 never worked with wideband.
Perhaps I should qualify that by adding that my V4 never worked either wideband or narrowband. Even the V500 has to be modified to run wideband, as a mate of mine found out.

I wound-up buying an Inovate, which has proved to be an excellent unit.
After talking to users of the TECHEDGE at track days, they report it is a good unit also.

[starion84]

ok thank guys,

you got some more details on that innovate kit? where to purchase?

so Merlin what actually happens when you try to use wideband on the Wolf?

[Starion VR4]

the wolf will show a A/F Ratio on the hand controller & on the laptop software, but U have to have a comparable ECU, it will have a sticker on the back saying " Wideband compatible

" :beer

[jakobsladderz]

The LSM 2 is not a real wideband anyway, it's just a standard narrowband with a bit better standardisation (they try to match them up a bit better than the average sensor). They're really aimed at boiler and burner applications and are far more accurate in the lean burn end of the scale than the rich...

at $300 the sensor is very expensive also. It's possible to get a LSU4 sensor (proper wideband) for less than $100 and a system (sensor plus interface) for around $250 or so. Some of these do give a simulated narrowband output that will probably match the LSM2 output pretty closely.

If you're using the system for tuning, maybe look at http://www.techedge.com.au
for systems with built-in displays...

Cheers,
Duncan

[Barney]

The later V4's will display wideband A/f's but as many have said it must be a wideband compatable Wolf.

I would use the Wolf wideband rather than buying a seperate unit

Ash

[Adriano]

Wlof quoted me $900 to "upgrade" my v4 to wideband compatible

[Starion VR4]

Just get a Innovate nit.. some on E-Bay got for $200ish. :beer

[Adriano]

Ive got an innovate, but the ecu cant datalog it. the only way to datalog is to set the output to 0-5v, and send it to the ecu as the tps signal.

[TOMSUN]

EMS 8860 ECU will take both the Bosch LSM and the Innovate LM-1 widebands.
Will also datalog.
No upgrades needed :D

[Adriano]

So will 99% other aftermarket standalone ecu's