Nissan Altima to race in V8 Suppercars in 2013

thrash · Post by **thrash** » Mon Apr 23, 2012 3:33 pm

http://www.caradvice.com.au/166585/niss ... s-in-2013/

I find it rather sickening that a manufacturer that produces no rwd v8 road cars can be allowed by rules to put the shell of a front drive v6 car onto such a chassis and race.

redzone · Post by **redzone** » Mon Apr 23, 2012 3:59 pm

V8 stupidcars = nascar, this just proves it.

Ps yes they do make a V8 rwd road car, it just won't be sold here. The motor is a development of Nissan's vh56de v8, just with pushrod (lol) heads installed

thrash · Post by **thrash** » Mon Apr 23, 2012 4:25 pm

which car do nissan make that is rwd and v8? That motor is from the Patrol..

Infiniti is the only branch of Nissan that makes use of these v8 motors in a sedan.. so if anything, it should have been an Infiniti in the running, not the Altima

1320ft · Post by **1320ft** » Mon Apr 23, 2012 8:07 pm

Its COTF rules now.

So no road going homologation required.

Aussie touring cars died years ago!

sucka · Post by **sucka** » Mon Apr 23, 2012 11:05 pm

Personally I think this is a great development for motor racing in Australia.

Hopefully this will be a milestone marking the beginning of the end for the V8 supercar era and with some luck the beginning of a new more production car based touring car series.
I think thats what car enthusiasts want to see and its only a matter of time before manufacturers realise this.

enthuzed · Post by **enthuzed** » Tue Apr 24, 2012 1:45 am

I'm with you there sucka!

redzone · Post by **redzone** » Tue Apr 24, 2012 8:15 am

thrash wrote:which car do nissan make that is rwd and v8? That motor is from the Patrol..

Infiniti is the only branch of Nissan that makes use of these v8 motors in a sedan.. so if anything, it should have been an Infiniti in the running, not the Altima

That same infinity is sold in japan as a nissan

thrash · Post by **thrash** » Tue Apr 24, 2012 1:03 pm

let's hope you're right sucka

fair enough redzone, i still think it's retarded that the rules allow for an altima shell to be put onto such a chassis, but as you said, i guess it's all just becoming a replica of nascar

vr4gone · Post by **vr4gone** » Tue May 01, 2012 9:31 pm

redzone wrote:V8 stupidcars = nascar, this just proves it.

Ps yes they do make a V8 rwd road car, it just won't be sold here. The motor is a development of Nissan's vh56de v8, just with pushrod (lol) heads installed

Where did you get that info? A complete re engineer of heads and engine block to run push rod heads? Highly unlikely. I'm sure the VK56DE engine was not R & D for a crude push rod head set up. This does not make COTF cheap to make, which is their priority.

sucka · Post by **sucka** » Tue May 01, 2012 11:22 pm

vr4gone wrote:
redzone wrote:V8 stupidcars = nascar, this just proves it.

Ps yes they do make a V8 rwd road car, it just won't be sold here. The motor is a development of Nissan's vh56de v8, just with pushrod (lol) heads installed
Where did you get that info? A complete re engineer of heads and engine block to run push rod heads? Highly unlikely. I'm sure the VK56DE engine was not R & D for a crude push rod head set up. This does not make COTF cheap to make, which is their priority.

+1 I'd like to see a link to that info, I cant find any info about kelly racing or nissan converting that engine to pushrod valve actuation, only a mention of resleeving to reduce displacement.

In all honesty I can't see why they would bother,and I expect they wont. There is no reason why the quad cam engine couldnt be used in the smaller displacement required for the class and still be tuned to match the horsepower of the other two marques.
Thats why V8 supercars have the parity rules, to ensure no car gains too much advantage over the rest of the field.

thrash · Post by **thrash** » Wed May 02, 2012 1:17 am

how's this for proper "car of the future" rules?

races are to be 500km long.
Only a Single tank of.. i don't know, say 60L of fuel? is allowed.
Minimum power of 300 wkw.
Time limit of 4 or 5 hours - average speed of 100 - 125km/h.
Fastest car to finish the 500kms wins.
Run out of fuel = disqualified.
Break down = disqualified.
Don't finish within time limit = disqualified.

What's important to the general public these days? economy, reliability, safety and comfort? safety is already catered for.. comfort cannot be catered for by a race, but economy and reliability can.. and of course, power for the rev heads..

So.. economy - the cars must achieve an average of 12L per 100km to complete the race. Reliability? This would be covered by being disqualified for a breakdown within 500kms of racing (or more of course).

Not possible to reliably achieve 12L per 100kms at power levels of at least 300 wkw? Perhaps not with today's outdated technology.. but that's the point - this kind of racing would force manufacturers to put more effort into research and development.

I think this would make an interesting and scary recipe for racing to bring automotive technology up to date.. and perhaps it would be more relevant to the general public and hence make racing relevant to the world again.

Perhaps the exact number for the rules need to be tweaked and researched, but other than that, opinions?

enthuzed · Post by **enthuzed** » Wed May 02, 2012 6:19 am

Personally, I like it a lot.
Though driver skill is all but removed from this equation.
So it won't suit the egos of many, to quote Rainman "I'm an excellent driver".
With up to 300kw on tap, it's still quite a bit of grunt so maybe it will suit...

Yes, the numbers would require tweaking.

thrash · Post by **thrash** » Wed May 02, 2012 1:32 pm

that's not necessarily true - driver skill is a factor whether the race is between 6hp go karts or between formula 1 cars, and everything in between..

redzone · Post by **redzone** » Wed May 02, 2012 6:10 pm

sucka wrote:
vr4gone wrote:
redzone wrote:V8 stupidcars = nascar, this just proves it.

Ps yes they do make a V8 rwd road car, it just won't be sold here. The motor is a development of Nissan's vh56de v8, just with pushrod (lol) heads installed
Where did you get that info? A complete re engineer of heads and engine block to run push rod heads? Highly unlikely. I'm sure the VK56DE engine was not R & D for a crude push rod head set up. This does not make COTF cheap to make, which is their priority.
+1 I'd like to see a link to that info, I cant find any info about kelly racing or nissan converting that engine to pushrod valve actuation, only a mention of resleeving to reduce displacement.

In all honesty I can't see why they would bother,and I expect they wont. There is no reason why the quad cam engine couldnt be used in the smaller displacement required for the class and still be tuned to match the horsepower of the other two marques.
Thats why V8 supercars have the parity rules, to ensure no car gains too much advantage over the rest of the field.

have a read through this thread:

http://www.ten-tenths.com/forum/showthread.php?t=131875

vr4gone · Post by **vr4gone** » Wed May 02, 2012 8:20 pm

Info taken from a forum is simply not credible.

here is the link for the updated rules not including COTF which I imagine are still being drawn up which is my speculative opinion.

pages 24-27

http://www.v8supercars.com.au/technical ... fault.aspx

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