lowering a starion

[TOMSUN]

like going straight despite you turning the steering wheel?

or continuing to turn after you've brought the steerign wheel back to normal position?

Neither. Bump steer is when you hit a bump and the due to bad steering geometry/modifications, the car wants to turn a different direction.
Someone else might be able to describe it better?

[RiceThief]

Neither. Bump steer is when you hit a bump and the due to bad steering geometry/modifications, the car wants to turn a different direction.
Someone else might be able to describe it better?

I think enthuzed is refering to hitting the bump stops though, which loads up the chassis and either puts you in a spin or off line.

[TOMSUN]

Neither. Bump steer is when you hit a bump and the due to bad steering geometry/modifications, the car wants to turn a different direction.
Someone else might be able to describe it better?

I think enthuzed is refering to hitting the bump stops though, which loads up the chassis and either puts you in a spin or off line.

That sounds even worse than bump steer!

[OLD FART]

Google bump steer .Pedders have an excellent demo video

[enthuzed]

Neither. Bump steer is when you hit a bump and the due to bad steering geometry/modifications, the car wants to turn a different direction.
Someone else might be able to describe it better?

I think enthuzed is refering to hitting the bump stops though, which loads up the chassis and either puts you in a spin or off line.

Correct RT. Spot on.

[thrash]

like going straight despite you turning the steering wheel?

or continuing to turn after you've brought the steering wheel back to normal position?

Neither. Bump steer is when you hit a bump and the due to bad steering geometry/modifications, the car wants to turn a different direction.
Someone else might be able to describe it better?

lol, I was refering to the following:

It's scary stuff the moment the car throws total "unexpected" handling at you.

both have happened to me. The first is one of the reasons the much advertised "safeness" of fwd compared to rwd is just marketing bullcrap..

[TOMSUN]

thrash... I'm going to have to disagree with you on this one.
FWD are safer to drive than RWD. (both being factory and unmodified) I'm sue that this will stir up some comments. But if I had to recommend a platform for a new inexperienced driver I would recommend a FWD.

[OLD FART]

Not wanting to start a bun fight only an informed discussion BUT basicly most if not all fwd or rwd cars sold here are set up to understeer or push as this is considered to be the safest option as the inexperienced driver will turn on more lock & hopefully get off the power ( more power in a fwd = more/ terminal understeer ) if the car is running wide however fwd can get lift off oversteer & rwd can get power oversteer if copious amounts of power is applied at the wrong moment.
There is a lot more involved in the way any car responds to driver imput ,camber of the road ,type of surface. steering technique , where and when the brakes & accellerator are applied tyres & preasures ,suspension settings etc etc

[thrash]

thrash... I'm going to have to disagree with you on this one.
FWD are safer to drive than RWD. (both being factory and unmodified) I'm sue that this will stir up some comments. But if I had to recommend a platform for a new inexperienced driver I would recommend a FWD.

See here lies the difference i'm talking about. Saying FWD is safer than RWD is a massive generalisation, and in itself is completely false.

However, the condition you put forth in your second statement is a valid one - for an inexperienced driver, FWD is the safer option in "most" conditions - mostly as long as he or she doesn't drive like a power crazed maniac.. or as long as they aren't in a rush.

To my inexperienced brother, I would never want him behind the wheel of a rwd vehicle, becuase I am 100% sure he'll spin it. Nothing is safe in the wrong hands ;)

But in terms of objective safety where the dynamics of the vehicle are considered, would you still say that fwd is safer than rwd? If you do then we just have to agree to disagree, as I feel that while a rwd vehicle is easier to get into trouble (aka fun) with, it's also easier to get out of trouble with. When the fron wheels of a fwd vehicle slip, you have nothing.. no power, no steering, no braking.. nothing. Regardless of driver skill level, this results in disaster.. This is my reasoning for saying that fwd is no safer than rwd

[thrash]

on a side note, most inexperienced drivers will brake or accelarate while turning, without even realising.. and in wet weather, this can give disastrous results, regardless of whether it's a fwd or rwd vehicle..

So.. fwd/rwd is really not as important as driver training when we're talking about safety eh? So back to my initial point, the fact that manufacturers advertise fwd as being safer, I stand to say it's all just marketing :)

[toms starion]

on topic here ive managed to lower the jb it just sits on top of my tyre on the rear have not yet done the front as im waiting to put my bar on..

heres a pic

[thrash]

sorry about going off topic

the pic is missing btw

[WidebodyWoody]

Great pic rofl

[redzone]

[TOMSUN]

on topic here ive managed to lower the jb it just sits on top of my tyre on the rear have not yet done the front as im waiting to put my bar on..

heres a pic

So did you just throw in a set of springs? if so which ones and how much lower is it?

What size/profile tires do you have?