Including a sensor?flav wrote:Use the wideband kit as its much easier to tune with. What are they selling for Mrb? Our kits are $250.
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Typical narrowband is for closed loop operation where it is accurate at 14.7: AFR and is not much good eitherside of that.
Wideband is for tuning fuel ratios when a car is running in open loop ie acceleration.
A common sensor for tuning is the Bosch LSM-11 (0 258 104 002) which is infact not a true wideband sensor in it's construction but will give a good enough reading to tune from approx 11:1 to 16:1 AFR.
Yes you might spend most of your time at idle or cruise, but your not going to do much damage if you have the wrong ARF's but under acceleration and boost is important to have the right AFR's to avoid engine damage. ie. Under high boost you might be looking for a target AFR of 12.5:1 to 12.8:1 to keep your engine safe. A narrow band sensor is not going to tell you anything.
Fuel, your right the Bosch LSM-11 "wideband" is around the $250+ mark. Some aftermarket computers will take a signal straight from that type of sensor.
You can get newer, better and cheaper true wideband sensors
Bosch LSU Sensors - 6066, 7057 & 7200 wich range from $90 to $150. But the catch is you need a unit to convert the signal from the sensor to a AFR on some sort of display.
A full wideband kit including unit, cable, sensor and display etc will set you back around the $600 assembled and that is a cheap one compared to what is on the market.
If you are good at soldering kits together then the same unit in a kit for around $370
If you want to save a bit more money then a similiar unit with a built in display is $320
Wideband is for tuning fuel ratios when a car is running in open loop ie acceleration.
A common sensor for tuning is the Bosch LSM-11 (0 258 104 002) which is infact not a true wideband sensor in it's construction but will give a good enough reading to tune from approx 11:1 to 16:1 AFR.
Yes you might spend most of your time at idle or cruise, but your not going to do much damage if you have the wrong ARF's but under acceleration and boost is important to have the right AFR's to avoid engine damage. ie. Under high boost you might be looking for a target AFR of 12.5:1 to 12.8:1 to keep your engine safe. A narrow band sensor is not going to tell you anything.
Fuel, your right the Bosch LSM-11 "wideband" is around the $250+ mark. Some aftermarket computers will take a signal straight from that type of sensor.
You can get newer, better and cheaper true wideband sensors
Bosch LSU Sensors - 6066, 7057 & 7200 wich range from $90 to $150. But the catch is you need a unit to convert the signal from the sensor to a AFR on some sort of display.
A full wideband kit including unit, cable, sensor and display etc will set you back around the $600 assembled and that is a cheap one compared to what is on the market.
If you are good at soldering kits together then the same unit in a kit for around $370
If you want to save a bit more money then a similiar unit with a built in display is $320
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