thrash wrote:the wtac cars have to run on road legal semi slicks.. i believe this would pose a significant disadvantage to full slicks?
V8 supercars don't have an LSD, they have virtually no aero and they weigh 1450kg. Comparing them to anything else is just silly, that's why they only race each other, as they were intended to do. What's remarkable is how fast the teams can make them go with some very clever chassis tuning and some very sharp drivers.
They were never designed to be outright lap record holders, they're built to a recipe that keeps costs under control and keeps teams on a level playing field - as much as possible anyway.
It seems to be cool these days to bag out V8 Supercars, but personally I think they're awesome to watch. The racing is generally very close, there's plenty of rubbing and bumping, plenty of drivers with a bit of character and plenty of sliding around.
Lummy wrote:
They were never designed to be outright lap record holders, they're built to a recipe that keeps costs under control and keeps teams on a level playing field - as much as possible anyway.
Bingo, with a tail wind behind them, they hit the rev limiter and max out before the kink down conrod.
V8 supercars is designed to be parity racing. So it all comes down to the tune up, setup, strategy and driver.
Dont get me wrong, I miss the glory days of group a racing, but lets be honest, the turbo's were running massive amounts of boost, 0 weight and some very questionable fuels.
thrash wrote:the wtac cars have to run on road legal semi slicks.. i believe this would pose a significant disadvantage to full slicks?
V8 supercars don't have an LSD, they have virtually no aero and they weigh 1450kg. Comparing them to anything else is just silly, that's why they only race each other, as they were intended to do. What's remarkable is how fast the teams can make them go with some very clever chassis tuning and some very sharp drivers.
They were never designed to be outright lap record holders, they're built to a recipe that keeps costs under control and keeps teams on a level playing field - as much as possible anyway.
It seems to be cool these days to bag out V8 Supercars, but personally I think they're awesome to watch. The racing is generally very close, there's plenty of rubbing and bumping, plenty of drivers with a bit of character and plenty of sliding around.
Lummy
You sure they don't run LSD's? They tend to leave 2 black marks when they give a bit much gas off the line...
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this "lap record" wasnt recorded during a race either so it's not really one is it!
Group A would work again today if they didnt allow all wheel drive and had to run on 98 octane pump fuel... would keep things fairly level. those were the two factors that killed the series!
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With a spool both wheels are locked like a CIG BOC locker like a kart = no differential mechanism that allows different rotational wheel speed when cornering and you must have the car turned into a corner before applying power because if you power early you will have the locked rear pushing the car where it is pointed =massive understeer.
The same driving method is used for Detroit Lockers.
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FST4RD wrote:I guess it's not to hard for a decent car to beat the time of a car that has an engine that came from the time of the dinosaurs...
On a side note... now that Holden is heading overseas does that mean that the V8 supercars is only going to be Ford? Isn't V8 supercars ment to be an all aussie designed/built affair?
ford will be selling american taurus after 2015 ;)
They tried that in the 90's...... FAIL............. rofl
Ford WILL lose all market share if they do that! AGAIN!! I love my fords, Yes our Territory is AWD and that's good for the family. And it really does stick to the road, the wife even had a near off in the dirt with it
However, the FALCON is what people like. Rear wheel drive is best! And That is that!!!! But the boss at Ford USA knows better then me about what the Australian market wants :roll:
not bagging out v8 supercars by any means - it's good as a form of racing
what I am saying though, is that they aren't as terribly fast or supercarish as the name suggests. Also, while there is a lot of engineering involved, there isn't much technology involved. In the old days, with the race on sunday drive on monday thing, racing was very relevant to road cars, and was a testing ground for upcoming technology. This, unfortunately , is no longer the case.. which is why people these days are so uneducated about cars and mechanicals in general.
My old housemate condsidered himself a car nut, and didn't even know what rwd/fwd/awd was
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WANTSOM wrote:Personally, I find sloppy boxes very unsatisfying. I like them tight and taught to the point that if you dont have to push to get it in then its probably too old and time to get a new one :P
don't try explaining that to her tho..... just leave. lol
I used to do the engines for H.R.T. with Rob Benson. That side of it was great. Then i bought the technology we used in the GTCC to Australia, which Brock got 1st but didn't have the budget to use it at the time. I left there and went to H.R.T and we had a good budget so I got to do plenty of things....
However, I say the Rules on Race day is what makes this category Boring. The drivers hate it too.... so what you have?? A whole package that is expensive and shit. It needs to change but no one gives a crap as everyone involved is making money.
Oh, btw...we used Harrop Full Spools in the Diff & Hollinger gear Boxes. If you want to know anything else i could probs tell you anout every nut and bolt and where we get them.
Bottom line is Bathurst stopped being interesting when they stopped things like Escorts, starions, skylines etc racing. the glory days of bathurst are long gone. V8 supercars are about as interesting as watching paint dry and the fact that they are in NO way shape or form similar to a production car yet all the Ford and Holden bogans still go for their team shows the mentallity of the average V8 supercar fan. Oh did I mention I dont like V8 supercars ?
Your right Vulpes...
Aren't the V8's exactly the same bar the motor and the aero kit? And even then they test the aero kits to make sure that they are the same? And the engines are pretty much the same as well?
Do they allow Ford to use their quad over head cam motor or are they limited to using pushrod motors to be the same as dirty holdens?
Do they allow Ford to use the IRS or again limited to what holden use?
Perhaps it would make for more interesting racing if they had to use a Falcon or commodore road car as a start, rather then a full space frame. Also allow any other brand that produces a 4 door V8 (Merc, BMW, Audi, Toyota, Nissan etc).
I reckon you could pull a Sierra Cosworth or R32 GTR out of retirement, modernise it and it would sh1t all over the current supercars!
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I'm with Vulpes, they won't even show Bathurst here in a year or two, V8 Indenticars in Hamition is over already and noboby really cares anymore.
Bet they'd get heaps of viewers if they repeated an 80's race in full.
Imagine how good a Ford or Holden might have been by now had they continued to compete against the Europeans/Japanese every weekend. Instead those cars hardly move foward at all.
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BOC locker like a kart = no differential mechanism that allows different rotational wheel speed when cornering and you must have the car turned into a corner before applying power because if you power early you will have the locked rear pushing the car where it is pointed =massive understeer.
