Austarion

Hey guys just starting a new project and have a few questions.

Have a 2 door 1984 323 wagon RWD. Reason I love them is we've had one in the family since new 'til a few years back my sister wrote it off.

My plan.
Modern interior - like something out of a EA fairmont (whole car cost under $300 let alone just interior).
Big diff - EA?
Big brakes - possibly EA ones.

Questions - the standard motor is a 1.4L or 1.3L I'm thinking of an BP1800T or another high output little motor (maybe something I can even put on gas).
Don't want to go Rotorary as they are lots of pain and lots of rebuilds.

What motor would you guys put in one.


I know they are not the prettiest cars but I love 'em and a dumped one that's jet black with a hugely over powered motor would be great.
They only wiegh 750kg.

Cheers Dave

1J - Soarer motor

They easily make 350HP with stock bits, a half cut is under $2k

Phil

Who told you that rotaries are a pain and always need rebuilds??

A rotary engine is just as reliable as any other motor. Just like any other motor, treat it like crap ... it will break. Respect it....and enjoy the fun.

Personally I'd be looking at a 12A or 13B turbo motor....They are cheap, and make easy power....And not to mention they are a light motor.

I reckon what it needs is a 2.6 Astron motor with t88 turbo, methanol injection, should be good to do 9 seconds.

go the HCCA route and 2JZ it :D

There ya go, 4 different engines! Now you have to choose which one suits you. Think of price, how hard it is to fit, aftermarket comp? has anyone done similar before so you can ask for help? gearbox? etc. Personally i'd go the rotor, seems to be a winner, and at least the wagon makes it a bit different.

stealth gsr wrote:I reckon what it needs is a 2.6 Astron motor with t88 turbo, methanol injection, should be good to do 9 seconds.

are you shore a T88 would be big enough

cheater

get a T91.... the mother of all turbo's


bigmoz

A BP 1.8L is an excellent choice!
There are some monsters running about the u.s. racingmazda.com got 400+ hp ATW! from turbochargeing *bone stock* non-turbo BPs! Built motors seeing 600+ atw.
The 1.8L was used in the '95+ miata here. Exact same motor used in the FWD 91-96 u.s. escort GT.
Here is an escort GT that has evolved from a stupid fast FWD 1.8L, into a RWD conversion race car. Done 9.5sec ETs lately, same 1.8L!
http://www.cardomain.com/ride/318284
http://www.stpmotorsport.com/

Then there's the FE 2L... another mazda 4cyl beast

isuzu 4ZE1 2.6litre with a garrett GT3540R strapped on it......

better motor than a 2.6 astron (sorry couldn`t help it :D )

look at james palomara`s rodeo ute in the last few summernats horsepower heroes if u want 2 c what they`re capable of..

i`m building a rodeo 2.3 litre 4ZD1 for my gemini coupe with a GT3040R should be good power to weight (893 kilo car with over 500hp :drool: )

OOOH! Dave, yr a nutter!
The Rodeo engine is a good choice, along with some of the others also. I had one in my CDC S3 and matey, this baby was insane. I built the engine when i was at Roadways Racing and it came off the supeflow at 440hp. But being realistic, i would go with whatever the engineer is going to say 'yes' too. Dont forget a decent brake upgrade matey!

a sr20det would make it stand up

one day i`ll get off my ass buy a digital camera and take some photo`s of the gem its pretty crazy... and my starion stuff as well of course!

i`d say realistically ur on the right track with the BP turbo engine. get the latest mx5 engine and box u can and rebuild it with hi-po internals, nice snail on it and she`ll kick ass! BP engines make good power na or turbo very easily and are small enough not to make engineers shat themselves!

I still wouldn't write off a 13B Turbo.

N/A 4 Cyl
- Toyota BEAMS 2L with 6 speed 3S-GE
- SR20 Neo

Turbo 4
- SR20DET (This would be my pick)
- CA18DET cheaper than the SR20

Turbo 6 (if they will fit)
- 1JZGTE (you will pay lots for a manual box)
- RB20DET (easier to get in a manual box)
- RB25DET getting a bit expensive



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Toyota 3S-GE BEAMS
One of the hottest 2 litre NA four-cylinders you can buy is this – the Toyota Altezza 3S-GE ‘BEAMS’.

The basic 3S-GE engine appeared in the Toyota Celica Australia back in 1986, but in the 1998 Altezza RS200 it’s tuned to the max. This north-south mounted engine runs a sky-high 11.5:1 compression ratio, dual VVT-i (infinitely variable inlet and exhaust cam timing) and a low restriction exhaust. The BEAMS (Breakthrough Engine with Advanced Mechanism System) package also includes electronic throttle control.

In 6-speed manual guise, the 3S-GE BEAMS lets rip with 154kW at 7600 rpm and 216Nm at 6400 rpm. It’s an engine that absolutely loves to rev and comes alive at about 3000 rpm. Sequential-shift automatic versions are detuned slightly to 147kW at 7000 and 216Nm at 4800 rpm. Both engines require premium unleaded fuel.

With relatively limited supply and a lot of demand for this engine, you’ll need a fair amount of cash to secure your own. Adelaide Japanese Imports currently has two examples in stock, each selling for AUD$4200 complete with loom, ECU, sensors and a 6-speed ‘box. Bob Dunn from Adelaide Japanese Imports says they’d be a great engine for naturally aspirated circuit racing. They’d also be a hot pick for kit cars and, dare we say it, old Toyota Corollas...
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Nissan SR20VE NEO VVL
One of the most potent four-cylinder engines to go unnoticed is the Nissan SR20VE NEO VVL.

This is a high-output naturally aspirated version of the Nissan 2 litre four that features variable valve timing and lift (using separate cam lobes). It’s a direct competitor to the Honda VTEC, Toyota VTi-L and Mitsubishi MIVEC systems.


With the benefit of VVL breathing and an 11:1(!) compression ratio, this motor rips out 140kW at 7000 rpm and 196Nm at a high 6000 rpm. Premium unleaded fuel is required. The SR20VE was most commonly equipped with a manual gearbox, but a CVT (with six preset ratios) was also available. The engine was released in the Primera of 1997 and continued until 2002.

Bob Dunn says due to high demand in Japan, this engine is very difficult to source. And when they are grabbed, you can expect to pay a considerable amount of money – around AUD$3000 or more.

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How hard is it to get hold of a nissan FJ20ET over there?

mazda fe3 motor. fits in with little to no modifications, and with a turbo, intercooler, and exhaust, no ecu upgrades or anything, will give you about 260-300 at the wheels at low boost.