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skyline brakes..

Posted: Thu Dec 31, 2009 9:13 am
by crshbndct
being that we are converting the car to 5 stud and putting in the lsd out of the ex soon, is it worth getting a mount plate made up to fit the 4 pot front/2 pot rear skyline brakes?

can we fit the rotor at the same time, or does it not have a high enough hat thingy? meaning not enough offset and rubbing on struts(planning coilover conversion too, so may have a bit more space there)

ideally we would like to replace all the brakes, as the current ones are half buggered. (caliper pins stuck, pulls to left like crazy, various things)

also much better selection of pads available for skylines

Posted: Thu Dec 31, 2009 9:30 am
by Lunacy
Yes its worth it but if i remember correctly the rears will not work on our cars.
The 4 pot fronts will work with a bracket made up, but you wont be able to use the skyline rotors as like you said the hats are different height.
The bracket specs for the callipers is floating around on here somewhere have a search and ul find it - any decent engineering place should be able to make them up for you.
Im using the 4 pots on the front of my track car, and am just in process of getting the brackets done atm.
With a set of slotted rotors and gd pads should be more than enough stopping power.

Posted: Thu Dec 31, 2009 2:23 pm
by enthuzed
Can someone explain/draw a diagram/post a pic of the "hat thingy" and what that refers to with regard to brake conversions...I get that there's a clearance issue but otherwise no idea.

Posted: Sat Jan 02, 2010 3:38 pm
by plasticdash
I have first gen evo lancer discs/rotors on my starion. its a fairly easy conversion. just requires some machining of the disc centre locating hole and drilling of some 10mm holes to bolt to hub.

although disc measures 288 mm , and im pretty sure early evo lancer is meant to be 276mm?

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Posted: Sun Jan 03, 2010 12:58 pm
by enthuzed
It doesn't look any different at all, well to my relatively untrained eye anyway.

I did spot the radioactive symbol in the last photo, that's not a Starion item, surely?

Posted: Sun Jan 03, 2010 4:38 pm
by Entaran
That's a factory evo 2 caliper. Rotors are supposed to be 276. Easily available from DBA and RDA. Pad selection is awesome for them too.

They're designed for 1 inch master cyls.

I'd be wary about going to 4pots with less than a 1 inch master cyl as you could cook your fluid relatively easily and getting a good feel would be an issue.

Posted: Sun Jan 03, 2010 6:54 pm
by plasticdash
Entaran wrote:That's a factory evo 2 caliper. Rotors are supposed to be 276. Easily available from DBA and RDA. Pad selection is awesome for them too.

They're designed for 1 inch master cyls.

I'd be wary about going to 4pots with less than a 1 inch master cyl as you could cook your fluid relatively easily and getting a good feel would be an issue.
Disc offset and width same as early evo, they just bigger in diam (still 4 stud too). look like they may have been machined down in diam possibly too. not sure what they are off.

a 1" master makes for much better pedal feel.

Posted: Mon Jan 04, 2010 8:15 pm
by enthuzed
Entaran wrote:That's a factory evo 2 caliper. Rotors are supposed to be 276. Easily available from DBA and RDA. Pad selection is awesome for them too.

They're designed for 1 inch master cyls.

I'd be wary about going to 4pots with less than a 1 inch master cyl as you could cook your fluid relatively easily and getting a good feel would be an issue.

Standard Starion items are front and rear 255mm and 247mm respectively.
More info please on the caliper fitment? (where you drilled the holes in the standard hubs).
What are the rears you've used?

Posted: Mon Jan 04, 2010 8:58 pm
by enthuzed
Interestingly 276mm will fit under the standard 15" wheels, as do the 282mm with wilwoods (Cookies brake conversion in Technical section) but if these are 282mm with Gen 1 Evo calipers, do they still fit under the stock 15" wheels? Looking forward to the bracket specs.

Posted: Tue Jan 05, 2010 5:21 am
by OLD FART
Entaran wrote:That's a factory evo 2 caliper. Rotors are supposed to be 276. Easily available from DBA and RDA. Pad selection is awesome for them too.

They're designed for 1 inch master cyls.

I'd be wary about going to 4pots with less than a 1 inch master cyl as you could cook your fluid relatively easily and getting a good feel would be an issue.
I have evo 4 discs and Nissan 4 spots on the front of my JB + braided hoses & Motul RBF600 fluid and have not experienced fluid boiling at QR

Posted: Tue Jan 05, 2010 10:56 am
by enthuzed
OLD FART wrote: I have evo 4 discs and Nissan 4 spots on the front of my JB + braided hoses & Motul RBF600 fluid and have not experienced fluid boiling at QR
Do these fit under the 15" factory wheels? What size are the Evo4 rotors and what Nissan are the 4 spots off? I'm looking for the biggest brakes I can fit under the standard 15s.

Posted: Tue Jan 05, 2010 11:25 am
by OLD FART
enthuzed wrote:
OLD FART wrote: I have evo 4 discs and Nissan 4 spots on the front of my JB + braided hoses & Motul RBF600 fluid and have not experienced fluid boiling at QR
Do these fit under the 15" factory wheels? What size are the Evo4 rotors and what Nissan are the 4 spots off? I'm looking for the biggest brakes I can fit under the standard 15s.
The discs are 294 mm and they are a very very tight fit under factory 15s but ez inside Ultralites
The calipers are 300zx type Sumitomos which I am told are the same as s14,15 and Skylines

Posted: Tue Jan 05, 2010 1:57 pm
by RiceThief
300zx calipers are the same as the r32 skyline calipers but different to the r33 as the r33 skyline have bigger disc and the lugs on the calipers are longer. S14 and s15 calipers are physically the same dimensions as the 300zx calipers but are made of cast iron where the 300zx are alloy. The mitsubishi gto/3000gt calipers are also made by sumitomo and might be the same as the 300zx calipers.

Posted: Tue Jan 05, 2010 5:38 pm
by plasticdash
enthuzed wrote:Interestingly 276mm will fit under the standard 15" wheels, as do the 282mm with wilwoods (Cookies brake conversion in Technical section) but if these are 282mm with Gen 1 Evo calipers, do they still fit under the stock 15" wheels? Looking forward to the bracket specs.
Best bit is no adaptor brackets (will take some pics soon of how to bolt it up). just have to mod the fasteners. they fit under some 15" wheels yes. This setup has been on the car for over 10 years now.

Posted: Tue Jan 05, 2010 10:03 pm
by enthuzed
Cool!