Evo 5-6 Brembo calipers & Starion 16" SHP rims?

Sanctifier · Post by **Sanctifier** » Fri Jul 13, 2012 9:47 am

I've read the "Starion 4-spot Brake Conversion" article on the forum (Cookie's Starion)
using Wilwood calipers & 15" JB rims and 282mm diameter rotors.

Is it possible to fit Evo 5/6 Brembo calipers (and similar adapter plates) with Starion 16" x 8" SHP rims?
The front struts, with 5-stud spindles and rotors are off an '89 widebody Starion.

Thanks.

redzone · Post by **redzone** » Fri Jul 13, 2012 10:20 am

Widey rims do not have much if any calliper clearance for 4pots :(

You would need a rotor with a lot larger height to make it work

Sanctifier · Post by **Sanctifier** » Fri Jul 13, 2012 12:35 pm

redzone wrote:Widey rims do not have much if any calliper clearance for 4pots :(

You would need a rotor with a lot larger height to make it work

Widey rim calliper clearance... Please excuse my lack of knowledge...
but won't widey 16" SHP rims have more clearance for Brembos than 15" JB rims using Wilwood calipers?

rotor with a lot larger height... If not 282mm, what diameter of rotor would you suggest?

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FST4RD · Post by **FST4RD** » Fri Jul 13, 2012 4:00 pm

You'll find that the willwoods are not as wide as the brembos.

Sanctifier · Post by **Sanctifier** » Fri Jul 13, 2012 8:37 pm

^ ^ ^ Thanks for the feedback and excuse all the questions please. Since I already have the Evo 8 Brembos,
I would like to avoid spending unnecessary $$$ on new Wilwood calipers if possible.

Also, I'll use the rear Brembos anyhow, so selling the front Brembos seperately may be difficult.

Would spacers help to solve the problem?... (See Table below.)

Since it has less rear spacing; can the 16" x 8" ET-10 offset Starion SHP rear rims (table) clear the Brembos.
Even if possible, would the negative offset screw up the front suspension alignment or make the steering "too heavy"?... (Scrub radius etc.)

Thanks for your help.

Adriano · Post by **Adriano** » Thu Jul 19, 2012 6:54 pm

The problem is that the spokes of the whees will hit the caliper, spacers would help as would non shp rims, however different offset rotors are a far better way of doing it , however then you may end up with clearance issues to the ball joint, or a complicated caliper bracket

dirtygalant · Post by **dirtygalant** » Thu Jul 19, 2012 9:27 pm

I think even the diameter of 16" is still too small to house the brembo calipers, you really need 17" minimum.

Sanctifier · Post by **Sanctifier** » Thu Jul 19, 2012 9:43 pm

Hi Adriano, thanks for the reply and advice.

Adriano wrote:The problem is that the spokes of the whees will hit the caliper, spacers would help as would non shp rims

Unfortunately Starion rims are not available here to check the clearance when fabricating the brackets.

The project car is a "daily driver" and "ride quality" is important.
So coil-overs are not really a solution for clearance issues.
In addition, I would prefer to use as many

parts as possible to reduce more "mix & match" issues.

I checked the Brembos with the Starion rotors and the depth of "pad engagement" seems adequate.

It's either I forget the whole thing... buy Wilwood calipers... and try to sell the front Brembos
...Or take the risk and buy a set of Starion rims first; hoping to fabricate a suitable bracket... and substitute Wilwoods if necessary.

More and more the 2nd option seems to be the only logical/economical solution.

If anyone has any ideas to help I will greatly appreciate it.

Sanctifier · Post by **Sanctifier** » Thu Jul 19, 2012 9:49 pm

dirtygalant wrote:I think even the diameter of 16" is still too small to house the brembo calipers, you really need 17" minimum.

It's a pity that Wilwoods fit 15" JB rims so easily while Brembos seem so impossible even using 16" SHP rims.

I've never seen a Wilwood caliper up close so excuse the question please...
How much wider/taller (actual dimensions) are Evo 5-9 Brembo calipers compared to Wilwoods?

OLD FART · Post by **OLD FART** » Fri Jul 20, 2012 4:56 am

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Sanctifier · Post by **Sanctifier** » Fri Jul 20, 2012 7:09 am

OLD FART wrote:It would help if you put your location your sig/tag :?
Always do your homework before spending $$$$

Done! Point taken... Thanks for the advise. :)

Any info on Brembo & Wilwood caliper dimensions?

OLD FART · Post by **OLD FART** » Fri Jul 20, 2012 9:41 am

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Xentro · Post by **Xentro** » Fri Jul 20, 2012 6:53 pm

There may not be a clearance issue if you would be using a rotor with the same offset as a stock widebody rotor..

Don't forget.. the rotors go over the hub on the 5 bolt widey

The offset of the rotor is considerable.
The stock evo rotor is almost none, so that is why the calipers touch the wheels with some wheels.

Just measure the space between the rotor and the wheel you may find there is enough room

I'm very interested how this turns out because I also want to upgrade my brakes on my widey.

P.S. don't forget the minimum thickness of the rotors... stock evo rotors are 32 mm

Sanctifier · Post by **Sanctifier** » Sat Jul 21, 2012 12:23 am

Xentro wrote:There may not be a clearance issue if you would be using a rotor with the same offset as a stock widebody rotor..

Don't forget.. the rotors go over the hub on the 5 bolt widey

The offset of the rotor is considerable.
The stock evo rotor is almost none, so that is why the calipers touch the wheels with some wheels.

Just measure the space between the rotor and the wheel you may find there is enough room

I'm very interested how this turns out because I also want to upgrade my brakes on my widey.

P.S. don't forget the minimum thickness of the rotors... stock evo rotors are 32 mm

This is encouraging news. This is what I was hoping for, since SHP rims have an inch extra clearance (diameter) over JB rims.
The rotors are off a US widebody Starion... and being an '89 model are also 5-stud.

measure the space between the rotor and the wheel... Sorry but Starions were not sold locally.
I would have to import a set of rims from the US in order to measure them.
That's why I'm hoping to get some stock Starion caliper and (SHP 8J-16 / ET+18) "rim clearance measurements" from you guys.

Does anyone have a "widey" Starion with (SHP 8J-16 / ET+18) rims?
Could you measure the minimum clearance(s) between the rim and Starion caliper (especially near the front "spokes") and post the info please?

minimum thickness of the rotors... Thanks for the "heads up." I didn't think of that.
I'll measure OEM Evo and Starion rotors to see what the difference actually is.
Hopefully it won't be a major issue. I'll check and post the info this weekend.

Xentro · Post by **Xentro** » Tue Jul 24, 2012 5:58 pm

with google I found these dimensions for a stock 5bolt front disk

Diameter: 276mm
Height: 67mm
Thickness New: 24mm / Minimum: 23mm

so you'd have 67 -24 = 43 mm between the disk and the wheel mating surface.

the problem is that starion wheels don't have alot of space for big calipers

if you look at this page
http://www.therangerstation.com/tech_li ... tment.html

the "amount of offset from centerline" is very little with widey wheels.

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